I have been suffering from a deep depression lately. I am in therapy. I have accepted taking the medication (albeit, begrudgingly) and cognitive therapy, health check ups and any other help I can get to heal.
Like many others, my depression is characterized with exceeding thoughts of guilt, shame, self criticism, extreme sensitivity, sleepiness or sleeplessness depending on the night, a lack of any appetite and thoughts (without any will or intention) of suicide. I feel although much of my destructive self has gained much power over my will trying to get out of this cycle... but I am a fighter, so I have hope to end this as soon as possible.
My question to you is what is it to feel healthy? Depression often takes a form of not allowing one to see a way out, or believing this has always been the way it is, and I have a difficult time envisioning myself as healthy and normal. In fact, I seem to not understand what it means to 'be normal' at all... and I understand this is different for everyone, but I thought I could use some help to understand and envision myself and my life as healthy and happy. A goal to reach for a healthy mentality.
Self doubt has clouded my judgments in this way, and I thought this tribe would have a good clear vision as to what healthy amounts to.
Thanks in advance.
Dawn
Like many others, my depression is characterized with exceeding thoughts of guilt, shame, self criticism, extreme sensitivity, sleepiness or sleeplessness depending on the night, a lack of any appetite and thoughts (without any will or intention) of suicide. I feel although much of my destructive self has gained much power over my will trying to get out of this cycle... but I am a fighter, so I have hope to end this as soon as possible.
My question to you is what is it to feel healthy? Depression often takes a form of not allowing one to see a way out, or believing this has always been the way it is, and I have a difficult time envisioning myself as healthy and normal. In fact, I seem to not understand what it means to 'be normal' at all... and I understand this is different for everyone, but I thought I could use some help to understand and envision myself and my life as healthy and happy. A goal to reach for a healthy mentality.
Self doubt has clouded my judgments in this way, and I thought this tribe would have a good clear vision as to what healthy amounts to.
Thanks in advance.
Dawn
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 9:13 PMI am starting grad school in psychology and my hunch, ( considering my own depression and how I've moved through it ) is that there are down cycles and up cycles. I think 80% of depression could be "cured" with proper diet, exercise, support friends and family, a purposeful life, etc..
Habits and environment basically.
Are you eating well? How much do you exercise? How much do you see the sun and stop to smell the roses in your life? Do you have adaquate support from loved ones? Can you express your needs to those close to you? Can you afford therapy? Do you drink alcohol or do other depressants much? What is your stress level like? What do you feel guilty about? Is it appropiate guilt, can you apologize to those you might have hurt? What's to feel shameful about? From an objective person''s opinion, like your therapist, have you actually done something shameful? ( like abuse a child ) Or is it in your head ?
If all those ducks are in order and you still feel depressed then maybe some medicine.
I am also feeling a bit down, this time of year brings up some family dysfunction type yuckiness for lots of people. But it's no where near where my everyday depression level used to be. Sometimes I watch day time TV just to see how bad it could be. Take it easy. Good luck. -
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 9:23 PMBy the way, feeling healthy means to me that I feel like I will be able to face any challenge that comes my way. I feel like there may be difficulties and bumps in the road, but I will keep going towards my dreams.
I walk purposefully in the direction of my dreams, as the saying goes.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 11:12 PMMy only advice would be to tell you that there is nothing wrong with who you are or what you're feeling. I know that you're suffering and nobody likes to suffer, but by the same token we're all suffering. I think a lot of what happens with depression is that you start to feel like everyone else is okay but you're not, and the truth is that most people are just stumbling along, hoping that no one finds out how screwed up we really feel. The only difference, if there is one, is that you are more conscious of your suffering right now than others might be -- and that can be an opportunity to learn and grow in a way that others might not have. I don't know if that helps, but even if it doesn't please know that you have my love and support.
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Sun, December 16, 2007 - 11:27 PMnormal? wow, that is a tough one... we're all so different, so diverse, whos to say whats normal...
that being said, ive dealt with depression in the past as well, and one of the reasons that i think ive gotten past it is because i finally realized that i was buying into my own bullshit, buying into the 'group' mind that said everything was messed up, hopeless, whats the use... so normal for me today is to just dot he best i can on a daily basis, to be what im here to be, whatever that is... to do whats in front of me to do, to be kind, and give hope... i had to get out of myself to do it though. it started with kindness, random acts. i know it sounds like a cliche', but it worked for me. i was in lousy shape, in no position to do anything for anyone, so it felt, but i started doing one kind thing a day... and slowly i crawled out of my hole... and today kindness is normal, for me. i give it, i receive it.
today there is hope because i chose it, i made it, i did one goofy thing and it led to another, and another... i started where it was, in the shit, deep in the shit, and one step at a time walked out... now i work with other people, and walk with them, its what i do, and its the most satisfying thing i have ever experienced... and dawn i could not do what i do today had i not walked through the place youre in... i had to hang on, and start making different choices, just one, one a day, and then it all started to change...
i cant tell you what normal is dawn. i think we all get to walk through our own version of hell at one time or another somwhere in this lifetime... but i also know that the biggest souls seem to get the biggest challenges...
so your soul, ma'am, must be on a pretty big path...
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:57 AMthanks for the reply guys. I appreciate the advice with the depression, however I am looking to focus this thread on finding a goal of "non-depression" and knowing what that is.
I have done a lot of research about depression itself, and the one thing I can't seem to find is a visualization of how it feels to not be depressed. I know people aren't supposed to be happy all the time, so what is the "normal range" of emotions? Maybe thats a more focused question... -
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Mon, December 17, 2007 - 2:22 PMhi dawn,
i am going through a rough time myself currently. i am wondering if this might be a depression,
although i don't think i suffered of depression before. so i am asking myself what it the
depression state like?
my theory describing the "non-depression" state:
!! positive thoughts outweigh the negative thoughts !!
- you wake up in the morning and you do NOT think anything negative first.
- you have some negative thoughts, but when you keep thinking about it
and try to see something positive in your life, it will make you FEEL better.
- you know that the future of your life will be OK. you will accept that life is
not a constant "high". you accept that it is OK and absolutely normal that
there are downs in your life.
after recognizing that, you will accept that and it will make you feel a little
better.
because remember: it's all just temporary, and no one is damned to be
a pessimist forever.
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 2:21 PMDawn, maybe looking at a picture of yourself from a time when you were not depressed, and try to remember what you felt like at the time?
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 2:41 PMI'm have experience depression from time to time during my life. So, I am not the best judge of what normal is. But, especially after 9-11 happened it seemed to me that people in general got a little bit crazier. The heat got turned up a few notches. Quite allot of what of is shown on tv seems to be designed to create a state of anxiousness. I am not a conspiracy nut, but sometimes I wonder if all of this is not designed to keep us constantly off balance. It could be said that when we are in this state that we are not able to connect with who-we-are inside.
I don't know about antidepressants. When I was younger, I self medicated with all kinds of drugs. I don't any longer. I don't mind depression when it comes up. To me it is a natural feeling. It is like the ocean or the seasons, it comes and goes. We can't always be happy. I am great full for whatever I feel. There is allot of power in acceptance. Nothing lasts forever.
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 2:55 PMNatural Antidepressants: Kava Root or Kanna (Sceletium tortuosum).
I have read a lot about it recently, and am taking Kanna occasionally.
It is very subtle, but I feel that my positive thoughts are stronger
after taking it.
I read many good experiences with Kava root, but one should not take both
at the same time.
I have a very good and reliable source of organic kava root, PM me if you want to
get the link.
sorry if this does not directly adds to your thoughts...
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Tue, December 18, 2007 - 4:39 PM"I don't mind depression when it comes up. To me it is a natural feeling. It is like the ocean or the seasons, it comes and goes. We can't always be happy. I am great full for whatever I feel. There is allot of power in acceptance. Nothing lasts forever."
Nodedog - thank you so much for your post, and especially for the above quote. It truly makes me happy to know that someone out there has such a positive relationship with his emotions through acceptance. I also believe that it is the struggle that creates suffering far more than the thing we're struggling with, even things like depression or anxiety. So again, thank you.
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Wed, December 26, 2007 - 9:22 PMThere are some depression tribes.. you migh tgo to them.
I really suggest looking at your diet and your blood type. Tehee are blood type diets.. if you are eating something which is messing up your blood/brain chemistry.. then all you need to do is eliminate that.
Also you need many vegetables.. fresh adn organic. Get rid of hydrogenated fats in you rdiet.
I am into exercise and yog ato help alleviate depression.
what is normal? Having a life,.. friends to talk to and laugh with: having good relationships with your family, having a feeling of acceptance in many places.. in church in a community center, in a group with a common interest or goal, feeling secure about your job or a path to get another job, knowing that you can try something new and have some fun with it, knowing an dacting on that knowing tha tthere are interesting things toread and music to listent o . and gathering a collection of music or magazines or boks, appreciating your self for you.. just you.. looking in the mirror and deciding to cut your bangs or pluck you reyebrows.. i. e. having an interest in hwo you look, laughing at times, beign able to cry, smilign at strangers, chattign with a grocery clerk, tipping a coffee maker, thanking people, looking forward to each day
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 6:02 AMI just read back on this topic,
I agree also about the traceminerals.
fish oils also help
sorry about the typos.. I am still learning to type slowly when ihave things to say.
may you be at peace
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Mon, January 7, 2008 - 10:13 AMThanks to everyone for their kind words.
I found some peace during the holidays when I was able to rest and reflect. I hope to hold that through another school semester. I've added a Mantra to my nights now.
"I will wake up strong tomorrow"
:)
I hope it works.
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Wed, December 26, 2007 - 7:47 PMHi Dawn,
If you have a chemical imbalance in the brain, taking medication for it is important
and is not shameful. Depression is a serious medical condition and crushing. You need whatever help and support is out there.
Having said that, your diet is really important too, and the environment that you create for yourself.
On the therapy side of things, the "...thoughts of guilt, shame, self criticism, extreme sensitivity..." etc., are really
your teachers and indicators, and are how things manifest for you now. It is what your inner life is telling you. The medication may relieve the symptoms, but the underlying condition remains still, and with the medication that allows you to get up in the morning and get out of bed, comes the personal growth work that lies ahead of you. As soon as you are more emotionally stable, I encourage you to make friends with these feelings and learn from them. They are simply trying to speak to you and get your attention. And they are not "bad" feelings. They just are.
So, what is normal? What is abnormal? These are just concepts too, and I offer some things I wrote from the Zen perspective, if you are interested. But I suggest you take the anti-depressants and continue therapy for the time being.
Your precious life is evolving, that's all. The tunnel you are crawling through is birthing you into a new human being. You are a new Dawn, so to speak! You can do the therapy work and review your personal history/stories and you will most likely begin to shed light on how you ended up where you are. BUT...none of that addresses a deeper spiritual truth. A spiritual truth often shows up at the end of the proverbial rope. You are now dangling at the end of that rope over a deep, scary, black abyss. A spiritual trauma or crisis is usually not healed through therapy. For example, the person who is depressed and looking for the meaning of life is not going to be any happier when the answer comes roaring back..there is no meaning to life. But when you see that all of the conditions that make up the person called Dawn, depression or no depression, is not the entire picture, then these personae that are causing you to suffer can be put back on a shelf, or thrown away completely. Then a spiritual truth becomes an elegant answer and helps to bring joy, peace, beauty...and meaning... back into your life.
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Wed, January 2, 2008 - 8:44 PM>>To me it is a natural feeling. It is like the ocean or the seasons, it comes and goes. We can't always be happy. I am great full for whatever I feel. There is allot of power in acceptance. Nothing lasts forever." <<
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 11:21 AMTo feel healthy, you need equal time not feeling healthy...
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Thu, January 3, 2008 - 1:40 PMI find a lack of trace minerals can really make people depressed...liquid minerals would be supportive perhaps?
There is always a place within us that knows the love peace and deep joy that we are...the trick is to keep visiting that place and to journey to it and CHOOSE to believe in it even when it feels nothing is there..and all is lost..the thymus area which in a healing system we do is called the soul seat...that is the place to go to reclaim the memory of who we truly are aside from all of our human foibles and trials there lies the cellular knowing of our divine selves that is not about personality and it can be source of comfort in hard times...
As another poster said...looking at yourself in a photo when you were happy..or creating a new picture even from a mag of someone who looks as you want to feel again can give small sparks of hope and therefore rebuild your brains circuitry on new things that feel more life affirming...
First and foremost accepting all our feelings and thoughts and forgiving ourselves is key to anything else that follows...kia kaha (be strong)...you can do this girl...find those little things that used to bring you joy...nature..art...music...etc..
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:50 PM"to feel healthy you need equal time not feeling healthy"....
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 8:16 PMI'd just like to put in a word about the word "normal".
We use these labels to categorize experience into tidy, manageable bits. But "normal" is just a convention; and no one exactly fits the description.
So, along with all the very fine advice offered here, please consider that all experience, all behavior, and all states exist on a continuum that varies, day to day and moment by moment, for everyone. What's normal for you may be very odd for someone else - but nothing is necessarily wrong about either. If you can accept your life as it is, that's a good place to start to befriend yourself and take things as they come, without piling on all sorts of judgments that only serve to increase internal tension and conflict.
Best wishes for everyone who is struggling. We all do, at times.
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:06 AMMentally, depression is a solidified belief in fear, or rather, a belief that we are too weak to do anything about the things we fear. Sit with your depression, be with it, listen to what it wants. And then, once you've honoured it, consciously remove your attention from this bullying emotion. Helping people is a natural cure; as we alleviate the pain of others, we are transformed through them.
I sometimes have waves of 'impending doom', a sensation that I essentially have no control of my life, dreams of being at the wheels of cars with minds of their own. In these sensations there may be some actual objectitve circumstances at the source, but aside from doing the interpersonal work, the only solution lies in the choice to feel otherwise.
A good mantra from Marianne Williamson:
'I must have decided wrongly because I am not at peace, but I can actively decide otherwise. I choose _______ now.'
On this note, normal is a boring word not worth striving for.
Being at peace is a concoction of grace - allowing the flow of moments to unfold, gratitude - paying attention to your blessings and decidedly blessing yourself, and awareness - watching what's going on around and inside you like a high caliber film.
Whereas depression feels blocked, bound, heavy, hurting ~ peace is the realm of possibilities.
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Fri, January 4, 2008 - 9:38 PMHi Dawn,
I have suffered from varying degrees of depression for most of my adult life (i'm now in m my mid 40's) and for most of that time i did not know what REAL joy, happiness, bliss, freedom, love, creativity, peace and connectedness was until the last few years. Having experienced these things (which by the way, many people who aren't depressed also have trouble connecting with), I can now look back at what I was missing. I completely agree with what was said previously:
There is always a place within us that knows the love peace and deep joy that we are...the trick is to keep visiting that place and to journey to it and CHOOSE to believe in it even when it feels nothing is there.
Keep doing the things that you love about your life as much as possible, even if it sometimes feels physically and psychically painful or you feel little or no connection. You may remember the experience differently when you are not depressed, because even though the depression is masking your experience, by allowing the experience (vs sleeping, isolating yourself etc), it will automatically imprint in your body/soul.
I no longer have only fleeting moments or weeks of profound joy and exhuberance. I live in complete, grounded connectedness, love for myself all the time and often feel blissful. I got there by following my heart activities (movies, reading, hanging out with friends, art etc), making huge efforts to dance, swim, and go out OFTEN - exercise, making myself eat good food (fruit and vegetables). I danced all night or swam for two hours when things were bad and I forgave myself when I reverted to the depressive habit of giving up and not making myself do things.
I got so sick of the recurring slippery slope of depression. I knew there was more out there than I had experienced so I got really determined to GET OUT of the cycle and being constantly being vulnerable to depression. I don't believe that because I have had this 25+ years of history that I have to continue living it, and I haven't!!!
So, I stopped resisting medication, wishing I didn't have to be on it etc etc etc. I allowed myself to trust, one more time, one more medication, stayed on two of them for over half a year and two (three?) years later (still on one medication) I am more ME than I have ever felt in my life. I recognize myself, but had only lived it for brief periods in previous years. Now I feel 150% of the me I used to be, and have experienced my being in profoundly spiritual ways, my body on a cellular level, my heart hugely expanded. I know I am where I am meant to be. This is ME. I do not accept that depression is inevitable.
I still get down when I have a bad PMS month, I still am working on releasing my anger when appropriate, I still feel down temporarily when difficult things happen in my life, but here is the difference: these experiences to me feel NORMAL. I am never down for more than a week or so AND even in the most excruciating moments, I am never really depressed. It is just temporary. I use positive thinking to guide my actions to joy activities and focus on the state of being I know exists when I'm not depressed.
One more thing - I no longer struggle. It is no longer excruciating to make decisions, I no longer avoid difficulty because I know I can handle it, I make free choices from a place of power and self-love, trusting that I will figure out what I need to figure out.
I wish you the best Dawn, and I wish the best to all.
Hope this long post helps.
In joy and love, DanceFire
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Tue, January 8, 2008 - 7:57 AMI try to remember, when I'm down, I'm up and when I'm up, I'm down...
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Fri, January 11, 2008 - 12:49 PMBeautifully written, Dancefire!
I would like to say that for myself, medication helped for a while (4-5 years), and then I needed to find more natural means. I found the book, Depression Free Naturally, and started following the advise on diet and supplements. It is another option. (Unfortunately, not one insurance will cover, but it is supporting the body's ability to heal itself.) I also started seeing an Ayurvedic practitioner, who has helped with herbs. Depression has also kept me seeking spiritual growth, so I am thankful for that!
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Wed, February 27, 2008 - 6:47 PMHi dawn....
Khanna/Scelithium is an amazing anti-depressant with no side effects - it's a south african bush herb given to the bush men after times of war and days of hunting/scavanging for food... I've used it and it really helps tonify and support your brain chemistry... do not take with other ssr/anti-depression medication... I believe it is banned in the states - so check for on-line resources....
I am also reading this booked called 'the mood cure" by Julia Ross... in it she talks about how our depleted diets are causing us not to get the appropriate amino acids to help our brains build seritonin and other vital brain chemicals.... we are severely deficient in 5-htp which is necessary (and the pre-cursor) for seritonin.... I think the book costs less than ten bucks on amazon.com... -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 10:32 AMSleep and not insulating from, or repressing anger or negative experiences all the time are said to be other sources. -
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Tue, March 18, 2008 - 11:52 AMI found the depression tribe on tribe.net, and I am really thankful for it. I have to say, I have never found a place where people understood my full needs before - and its refreshing to see how they speak and need.
I found a thread about 'normal' there
depressiontribe.tribe.net/threa...c0a499
Darla wrote this reply:
"I think that people's reactions to the word "normal" are very interesting. Normal is a word that is used to control and hurt us. Normal? What I was trying to say earlier is that what's normal is what's normal for YOU. Why buy into someone else's notion of who, how or what you should be? Isn't that at least half of what hurts us when we are in a downward spiral? Isn't NORMAL the arbitrary measure of how much we fail?.....Don't buy into media and societal lies. Be who YOU are. Any good psychotherapist will tell you that."
Since I have begun writing this I have seen a bit more of what I am looking to achieve. I have difficultly with anhedonia and its repercussions. What I am looking for here is more a understanding of what happiness feels like again. I hope with some work, and some summer sunshine I will be able to find this again.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 8:25 AMThank you Dawn!
I hope you don't mind a plug for a New York based, 'Find Happiness' event, with Meetup.com:
A reminder about this group. There is no view that this organizer is imposing. While I am a ''psychologist ''and have done counseling work,and was a NYC Special Education Teacher,I am not a psychotherapist . This is a self-help group that goes beyond support. This is a new form of psychological well-being. It uses techniques that might work if they are understood and practiced.. If you have a background in psychology,have read some books or even if you haven't your view is welcomed to be heard. Yes really ! If you think a psychiatrist or psychotherapist is performing an exacting science,then you misunderstand these practices. When I attended Stuyvesant H.S. I aced courses in theoretical physics including cosmology. Psychological help in any form can not and never will be an exacting science ! Even medicine and surgery are not absolutely exact. The more complex any system is the m ore variables there are. Modern scientific theory realizes that complex systems cannot be reduced to one factor. To illustrate this realize that tap water does not freeze at 0.000 degrees centigrade nor will it boil at 100.000 degrees ! To get anything precise the atmospheric pressure must be set at a constant (a standard) the water in question must be chemically pure H 2 O. The weather can not be predicted precisely because it is based mainly on air masses and there movement. It is just too complex to include other factors: the terrain of a city and the effect of any tall buildings, as well as factory or car emissions, geothermal factors, gravitational factors of the moon, solar flares and other activities of the sun. True modern science is not reductionist and and can really state things in probabilities! I'm not going to play stupid and could not have conceived of this group without both the academic background, the teaching of learning disabled and " emotionally handicapped" students . Hey I'm not bragging .I'm an awful typist and do not know food as well as Rachel Ray. By the way there is not one form of psychotherapy that exist but several. Which one your therapist uses can therefore vary. Since they are also humans it is not possible for them to be 100% totally objective. there is no such thing as total objectivity .Theoretical physics takes this into account.( Neils Bohr v.s. Einstein)So this does not mean throwing science out the window,but the recognition that human senses and our limited cognitive abilites and limited knowledge play a factor in making any absolute statements. I'm actually pro -scientific but realize that much of science uses working hypotheses. The truth is that any psychiatrist who clainms that serotinin is THE cure for depression is lying. The matter of neurotransmitters and measuring happiness together with other factors make psychiatry a science but not an exacting one.
Are You Killing Kindness
I have derived at a technique that might help- it works for me. It involves roleplaying to change behavior. One must recognize that when we help others and get nothing in return except feeling hurt or punished,we are actually killing kindness! There are people who will ask you to put yourself way out and use you.In plain language they know a sucker. I have dealt very well this problem although I do have deep ethics and a drive to help others. One must realize that they are not Jesus and if you want sainthood it involves your demise. If I was a Darfur resident ,and was going to die I just&n bsp;might do the heroic thing of saving others even taking a bullet. It would be a way of dying well..
To save real compassion in society it may be best to separate foolish compassion from real compassion. If you keep overdoing for others, you might become a misanthropic person. Another outcome can be ridiculous self-rightousness. Oliver Cromwell , Napolean., Robespierre, Lenin may have started out with empathy ,but all wound up being megalomaniacs.Their good intentions actually backfired. , because a powerful extreme action may have a paradoxical effect. Jet propulsion is not aided by putting explosives in the engine!
This is about preserving kindness and ethics,
1. Where you reprimanded as a child on morals in a very strict way?
2. Is it bad to reward true kindness? Is virtue it's own reward ?
3. If there is no God,is there a reason to be a kind helpful person? ( i believe there is and am an atheist !)
4. Are you perfectionistic and/or obssesive compulsive?
5. Would you have helped Saddam Hussein,Hitler or Charles Manson if they said they redemmed themselves. Would you have hid them and feed them now that they kiss your hand and are filled with statements of sorrow and guilt and eyes filled with tears?
6. Have you ever been upset by all the people who do not return favors but want more and more?
7. Have you ever felt that ALL humankind is deceptive?
8. Do you realize you are sort of addicted to being too nice to the wrong individuals ?
9. Do you realize that animals help each other in a symbiotic relationship ?
Well before you become a misanthrope,or a megalomaniac there are ways to modify this conduct. I have realized that there are certain people with whom help should be non-existent, others for whom it should be limited, and yet others who are more deserving. There is a Christian story about a man sparring Satan ! It has the same message .Realize that a religion called Jainism was once popular in India ,but lost followers,due to extreme compassion for and kindness to everyone even those who attacked them. Most religions and belief systems even recognize the paradox of excessive compassion.
So answer the above questions about yourself-be honest.
Bring one or two situations in which you just keep giving in to foolish compassion. I have several ways to deal compassionately ,yet firmly with those who prey upon compassionate people. If you have a technique we can try it also.! My method involves roleplay.,thwarting technique ( thanks to Dr. David Burns) and several other means.
You can be very nice and do good works without playing the role of messiah, or self-punishment.
Angelique Delacroix M.S.E.
graphospheria@earthlink.net
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Mon, April 21, 2008 - 7:24 PMFor me, "normal" is when I can actively be a part of my coworkers and friends laughter. When I feel healthy the joy that "normal" implies is within my reach. Also, I can get out of my head and into the world. The thoughts of guilt-shame-criticism... never really wane, but I can get myself to the point where I don't dwell on my issues. Like being too preoccupied with living to be emotionally dead.
I've not read this book, but am somehow comforted by this npr press release:
www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php
Eric G. Wilson Against Happiness: In Praise of Melancholy.